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Bleeding Deacon?

topic posted Thu, February 9, 2006 - 8:21 AM by  Rita
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Okay, what the fuck is that really? A Deacon is a church or temple servant. AA is not a church or temple. And the bleeding part? A fucking martyr? Please! In AA? A martyred servant of AA. Damn. I've never met one of those...

I've been amazed to see some of the names thrown around here, and I just wanted to make sure I understand...

What about Step Nazi? Someone who forces the steps on others? Forces, right? In AA? Huh, it is a SUGGESTED program of recovery. Just because people see solution in the steps, and mostly will advise someone try them FIRST, doesn't mean they've considered all non step takers as less than. The word Nazi is quite an insult. And its contrary to my step taking brothers and sisters, who are willing to let others live their own life. Anytime I hear someone call another person a step nazi, I can't help but wonder why the name-caller feels the need. Is it shame or guilt over not doing the steps themselves? Maybe someone has a different perception of what the hell a step nazi is.

Okay, now what about cheerleader? I'm sorry, I don't get why it's a bad thing to be a member of AA who carries the message.

Guru's and Poobahs?

I really don't understand how oldtimers, steptakers, AA members have become such things as the names above. I've never met a guru or poobah, but I've been blessed to have known some great people in AA, who had much more time than me and lots of wisdom and experience to share. I call them OLDTIMERS.

I have met my share of bitches and assholes though, some who talk a lot of shit, but don't practice any of it in their lives. Fortunately, it doesn't take long to recognize them, and I wouldn't call them bleeding deacons, cheerleaders, gurus or anything else that implies (negatively or not) that they work a program.

I challenge any of you who feel the need to negatively label other AA members to please explain why you do so...
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    Thu, February 9, 2006 - 10:53 AM
    GREAT RANT RITA!!!

    I can answer your question.
    I called my sponsor a Step Nazi. Not because he had "steps or death" license plate frame on his lowered black Monte Carlo but because he was a no nonsense kinda guy that didn't want me wasting his time. I used the term as a compliment, not as a negative.

    The term guru, I used that one for guys like John C. and Ernie D. I know you know these guys. They impressed the shit out'a me and as far as I'm concerned they earned that title. Crazy thing though, whenever I called em that to their faces they just laughed.

    The term Bleeding Deacon I got from our 12 & 12. I like to use that one on those people that are a part of AA service committees. Not everyone there is one of them. They are offset by the Elder Statesmen.

    Then there is the 2 stepper, the 13 stepper, the professional newcomer, the rim-runners, the members of the lonely hearts club that found the rooms of AA. I'm sure someone else can come up with more names.

    Now with the bitches and assholes. I have any number of names for them. Yep people, I too talk and think shit. So if any one calls me guru then stop now. I give people titles because my simple mind likes to compartmentalize. If I have you labeled it is easier to keep you sorted. Yeah, it's childish I know. It is not an accurate account I know. It is just want I do. I have always done this. I suspect I am not alone in this sort of behavior.
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      Thu, February 9, 2006 - 11:28 AM
      More names?
      The Car Salesman- one who thinks that self knowledge is the answer, that the steps and a spiritual way of life are not necessary
      The Director- (a term I often use in reference to myself) one who tries in vain to control everything and everyone around them.
      Jaywalker- same as professional newcomer

      Step Nazi I don't think is a necessarily negative term. To me it refers to sponsors who don't accept whining or sniveling as an appropriate response to feeling bad. working the steps to them contains the solution. Maybe the use of 'Nazi' is inappropriate, but I feel that its use is as a modern idiom for one who doesn't accept excuses, or an unbending and unwavering person.

      Gurus- here in Los Angeles we have Clancy I. who is more like a demigod to some (I don't agree), and we've had gurus like Alabama Cruthers (r.i.p.)

      never heard bleeding deacon though. that one is new to me.
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        Thu, February 9, 2006 - 12:41 PM
        I avoid teh Nazi term, especially after folks said it scared the shit out of them. I don't know how comparing white supremacist facists to the the work we do to save drunks' lives can be favorable. i try to be attentive to the power of words, butr I hear it less than I used to when i was new in the 90s.
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          Thu, February 9, 2006 - 1:34 PM
          we are not a glum lot and i think we have these slango terms more as quick ways to bescribe personality types in the program.
          the same terms could be applied in many different arenas. i don't think it is disrespectful at all. if i had to stop and clinically explain each type of person in AA in order to be politically correct as not to offend others, it would take all the fun out of recovery. and life in general.
          people are basically the same. labels and cast typing help others that are new feel a sense of belonging. i don't know of any people, place or thing within social systems that doesn't have it's own way of communicating.
          ever listen to lawyers in a courtoom? deadheads? cops? the military? hospitals? treatment centers? music? there's specific terminology for everything.
          and if it gets a bit heavy, like step nazi....well those 2 words save a lot of over explaining.

          i am what they call a defensive dipshit right now.
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            Thu, February 9, 2006 - 2:06 PM
            i think being responsive to critique is impoprtant to AA values. Many of our tenats came from conversations and experiences had with Dr. Silkworth and other professionals outside of AA. i don't know that, for me, I need to be tied to my short-hand in order to avoid over-explanining. I'm also not sure that I agree that attending to spiritual principles is teh same thing as political correctbness. I've sat in thousands of AA meetings and have heard racial slurs directed at me and others, homohobic comments, misogynistic bullshit , and I am no fool, I don't think AA is or should be a "safe place," but for MY PART, I want the door to be as open as possible to the drunk who wants to get sober and seek a spiritual solution to the spiritual malady of alcoholism. When someone pulled my coattail at about 5 years (it was an olde timer I respected), about the multiple implications of Big Book Nazi or step Nazi, I began to reconsier using it. The old-timer was not a bleeding deacon, i.e., did not badger me or feel victimized by those who did not listen to her, rather she shared her experience, strength, hope, wisdom and opinion and like any really spiritual person, let me make up my own mind.



            I have to admit my own intolerance for intolerance and I work on it, but the more sober I get, the less I feel ofended or defensive about being called on what I say or do and how that effects others. In fact, that is exactly what the principles of steps 4-9 are teaching me, as the 8th step says in teh 12 and 12, "how to have the best possible relations" with those abot me. Good topic!
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          Thu, February 9, 2006 - 2:18 PM
          Just because someone referrs to someone else as a Step Nazi, are they implying that they are fascist dictators hell bent on world domination and racial purity? hell no! it's a word, maybe inappropriate, but I really don't think that anyone is comparing an AA sponsor to a real life Nazi. Lets not take ourslelves too seriously.
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    Thu, February 9, 2006 - 1:32 PM
    fabulous topic rita, god i love you!

    any hoo, about the only thing i have to say is that i'm extreamly surprised at how quiet the very vocal minority around here is about your post. i'll have to ponder what that might mean...........
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      Thu, February 9, 2006 - 2:06 PM
      It always seems to me that gurus get titled as such not because of their time, but because they are on the speaker circuit. Clancy just happens to have both.

      To me, although I don't like the terminology "step nazi" this program is all about the Steps...see them, do them, teach them.

      I'm not exactly certain who you are referring to by "the vocal minority" but lets face facts, the newcomers will always out number the old timers. As far as I am concerned, we need both, otherwise the program doesn't work.

      To me, we all need to treat each other with respect. I have heard people say "let's see if they stick around first." That happened to me. Very few of the long term sobriety crew even bothered to talk to me before I had 30 days ? Is that right ? Who am I to judge ? Do I behave by that example ? Absolutely not. On the other side of the coin you have people who have a year sitting around making judgements on how a meeting could run better, or talking about someone elses behavior.

      We all start over every day. It all about one day at a time. There are people with 20 years who on my worst day I wouldn't want what they have. There are those with 1 month that I envy for that overwhelming feeling of relief and joy they feel. My working with them reminds me how precious this program it. I think any action whether it be in word or deed that attempts to seperate us by group, title, time, etc...is setting us all up to fail.
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        Thu, February 9, 2006 - 2:27 PM
        I'm a human being with character defects... I've seen "gurus, bleeding deacons, poobahs, presidents of AA, BB thumpers, and step nazis", all in the same meeting. If I put anyone on a pedestal or a shit list, what purpose does that serve? It feeds my ego, and inferiority complex. So, looks to me like we're all a bunch of alcoholics! If your sharing sparks something in me, I could care less what you are or not. I just heard something from a "habitual relapser" that lit my lightbulb so bright, I'm never gonna look for the dimmer switch.
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          Thu, February 9, 2006 - 2:39 PM
          i know what you mean about the messenger cheezy.
          one of my favorite sayings i ever heard in a meeting came from a man who i dispised...
          "what you do speaks so loudly i can not hear a word you say"
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        Thu, February 9, 2006 - 2:36 PM
        <I'm not exactly certain who you are referring to by "the vocal minority" >

        i just ment that out of the 300+ people in this trib, there are about 20 or so that post on a regular basis. all of them (myself included) have very strong opinions on both sides of any issue or topic posted here. so i was amazed that there had not been more activity on this topic, being that is kinda controversal. thats all
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          Thu, February 9, 2006 - 2:50 PM
          that's it. ..i need an AA dictionary and slogan manual....i wonder if central office has one?
          btw, for all the "offensive lingo" i have heard more entertaining and enlightening ones by far. sayings like GB's christian crank cracked up my home group. coffee will never mean the same.
          oh yea, what's a rim runner?
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            Thu, February 9, 2006 - 2:59 PM
            some one who hangs out around the rooms, but doesn't work the program or even stay sober for very long, but they keep coming back.
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              Thu, February 9, 2006 - 3:13 PM
              thanks shannon- those 2 words summed up your 25 words. i think that was what i was trying to explain in my earlier post. but, i learned something new. and i don't find it offensive, probably cause i'm not one. we use the word "retread" here.
              so now in addition to an AA dictionary/slogan manual , we need regional appendixes. ii remember the first time i got 13th stepped. someone told me and iwas like wow, whatever that means. i felt SO new, and naive. kinda like now.
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                Thu, February 9, 2006 - 3:21 PM
                <AA dictionary/slogan manual , we need regional appendixes. >

                gypsy, i'll take this to the next district meeting and then the DCM's can take it to area, and area can take it to regional and they can take it to ........ world?

                sheesh. maybe we can just do our own anonymously ~
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                Thu, February 9, 2006 - 3:24 PM
                ok, so i fell right into that one gypsy, i see your point, but i don't think that is what rita was trying to point out in this thread.

                i'll vouch for odat, but after a while he came in and took his seat with the rest of us, and i for one am glad he did.
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            Thu, February 9, 2006 - 3:13 PM
            <what's a rim runner>

            I WAS, I WAS

            anyone here wanna vouch for me?

            thank gawd i found a step NAZI to sponsor me.

            oops, there I go again.
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              Thu, February 9, 2006 - 3:23 PM
              odat, what's a DCM??
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                Thu, February 9, 2006 - 3:26 PM
                district committee member, all the district GSR's report to them.
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                  Re: Bleeding Deacon?

                  Thu, February 9, 2006 - 4:36 PM
                  The term that I think is the most misunderstood and overused is 13th-stepper. Maybe I'm way out in left field, but the way it was explained to me was, that was someone who offered to help a newcomer with the steps in order to get in her or his pants.

                  If there is no misrepresented offer of help with the steps, then all you have on your hands is just a horny individual, male or female, responding to god-given urges and desires. If it isn't what you are looking for the "JUST SAY NO" *thanks Nancy Reagan*, but don't go labelling everyone that asks you out as a "13th stepper"

                  As far as what Rita was trying to point out, I heartily agree with her. I find the term step-Nazi offensive, but more because of my ethnic background than any experience in AA. You see, I was raised in a Jewish household back east, and when I was a kid, I actually met and knew older members of my family who had numbers tattooed on their wrists by real Nazis. If you don't agree with me, that's your choice, but do me a favor, sit down one evening and watch Shindler's list and then tell me if you don't find the use of the term offensive.
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                    Thu, February 9, 2006 - 6:27 PM
                    i actually met a REAL nazi who was in AA. he was a whie supremacist living in new rochelle new york. i didn't stick around long enough to ask him how he combined national socialism with the twelve steps. so i think of him when someone mentions "AA nazis".

                    as for "AA cheerleader", in my book it's someone who generally talks about how great AA is all the time and rarely shares about what is really going on. this "cheerleader" would generally be unhappy underneath all of their slogans and book quotes. so it's not the talking about how AA saved their life that's the problem, it's the hypocricy and denial.
                    also, the "cheerleader" is generally trying to get other people to believe something that he/she doesn't feel secure about in order to reinforce their own security. basic fear based behavior.

                    and did you notice how liberal i was with the word "generally"?

                    as far as the "guru" thing is concerned, we're all human and we're all drunks and i think it's dangerous to place any one of us above the other.

                    then again, if it weren't human nature to place people above ourselves and need to rely on "truths" written down in books then we wouldn't have all the organized religions that cause problems for so many people. some folks just need to be told what to think and what to do.
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                      Thu, February 9, 2006 - 6:45 PM
                      << as far as the "guru" thing is concerned, we're all human and we're all drunks and i think it's dangerous to place any one of us above the other. >>

                      And this is the reason for everyone's favorite chant in the 12th Tradition, "Principles Before Personalities". When people speak on this topic they invariably talk about tolerance and rising above someone they dont like.

                      Eeeeeeeeennnnnnt!

                      Bill was warning against Demigogery, that no one individual speaks for or is greater than AA. It's about the steps and the principles contained therein.
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                    Re: Bleeding Deacon?

                    Fri, February 10, 2006 - 2:26 PM
                    While I dont find the term step nazi offensive I am sure others do.
                    "Work the steps or die motherfucker" was a common phrase around the people I got sober with ... and damnit I think It still is. Hmmm aint it grand ... alot of us are still here.. :)

                    Rick I whole heartedly agree on your definition .. yup thats it ..

                    Should we look at some of the terms .. just for shits and giggles
                    retread
                    rimrunner
                    13th stepper
                    guru
                    90 day wonder
                    *Crap Head* Rip Jim
                    Step Nazi
                    Big book thumper
                    Troll


                    O and Rick ...just as a side note .. you um .. dont HAVe to marry her if she says yes :)

                    J.
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                      Fri, February 10, 2006 - 2:48 PM
                      "you um .. dont HAVe to marry her if she says yes :)"

                      Shoot !!!!!! Now you tell us !

                      I love the term shits and giggles....I haven't heard that since I lived in Boston.
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                        Fri, February 10, 2006 - 3:58 PM
                        Ok I propose we change some of the references...."just for shits and giggles"...(heard that one first from a Brooklyn Marine buddy of mine)

                        Guru= Yoda (love Star Wars and when's the last time someone actually met a real guru) "DO OR DO NOT THERE IS NO TRY"

                        Step Nazi= Sid and Nancy

                        BB Thumper= Book salesman

                        Poobah= Winnie the Pooh

                        Bleeding Deacon= Marine Recon

                        feel free to add to the list....

                        Labels suck, but we can't operate without them on some level...most of the labeling I have heard has been pretty good natured. Sometimes I think we need to learn to laugh without being drunk or high.... Maybe I'm still too new to see the seedy underside of things...

                        Obscure reference#1- Anyone see Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels? Great cockney slang there.... "wipe that smile off your Chevy Chase..."

                        90 day wonder- 2nd Lieutenent....

                        Lt. Paul reporting for duty SIR!


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                          Fri, February 10, 2006 - 7:50 PM
                          "Maybe I'm still too new to see the seedy underside of things... "

                          I don't know Paul. I think being new is seeing it as it should be. Do you guys remember that first time ? The very moment when the light inside went on for you ? When you knew, really knew that this was exactly where you should be. That this was not just the way, but it was the only way. And, that if you can just hold on and continue to embrace it....your life will never be the same. That you will never ever ever have to feel the way you did.

                          Every time I meet someone who is new, I get to relive that moment. I hope to hell I can always feel the beauty of the program throught the heart of one who still is overwhelmed with its miracle.

                          You are right Paul...those woosy New Yorkers say shits and giggles. No self respecting Bostonian would say giggles. It's really shits and grins.
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    Thu, February 9, 2006 - 4:12 PM
    <shrug>

    Let the whiners whine and the naysayers complain and the knee jerk contrarians rebel against any and all authority. (real or imaginary) How's that illusion of superiority workin' for ya so far?

    Been there done that. It was tiring pinwheeling angrily at the world. Quite awhile back I decided to surrender to this thing called The Steps and I'll be goddamned if my life started getting better as soon as i did. I havent looked back. Instead of spending all my time pointing out the hypocrisies of the world my passion has become resolving my own - or learning to laugh at them.

    I identify my way in and compare my way out. Picking away at AA and it's perceived flaws, picking and choosing which parts of Unity, Recovery and Service are acceptable or convenient only ensures that I wont ever get this thing, this 4th Dimension of Existence. I am not the exception.

    I'm not here to make friends and win prizes, just to pass it on. The truth is often an unpopular last resort.

    All too often,
    Steps or Death
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      Thu, February 9, 2006 - 6:30 PM
      " just ment that out of the 300+ people in this trib, there are about 20 or so that post on a regular basis"

      I was beginning to wonder if those people were real.
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        Thu, February 9, 2006 - 6:36 PM
        "I challenge any of you who feel the need to negatively label other AA members to please explain why you do so... "

        right, i forgot about THE PODS!

        like in "invasion of the body snatchers".

        maybe it's a bay area phenomena. scary. kind of like an extreme version of the "AA cheerleader" (see above). their personality is gone, they're just all AA all the time. and they can't wait to tell you about it.

        and i label them so that i can make fun of them and keep them away from me.

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          Thu, February 9, 2006 - 6:40 PM
          "and i label them so that i can make fun of them and keep them away from me."

          <grin> at least your honest, i have to respect that robin.
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            Thu, February 9, 2006 - 6:49 PM
            Hmmm. The phrases "loyal to our suffering" and "why must you wear your ignorance around your neck as if it were a virtue" come to mind.

            R.I.P. Jimmy B.
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              Thu, February 9, 2006 - 9:15 PM
              I never did get an answer on an earlier thread as to who the bleeding deacons on this tribe were. Rats. I wanted to submit an application.
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                Fri, February 10, 2006 - 9:26 PM
                "Principles Before Personalities". When people speak on this topic they invariably talk about tolerance and rising above someone they dont like. "

                Absolutely. I've done that myself. I never thought of it from Bill's perspective, as you mentioned. Gives it a whole new meaning.

                The one that I find greatly misused is "progress not perfection". You see many hide behind this statement as a cloak for bad behavior. Instead of doing the right thing, they will shrug and say "hey, it's progress not perfection, right ?" Many forget, again, I have myself, the whole of the statement is "spiritual progress not spiritual perfection." Not, "do the wrong thing, but just don't do it as bad as you did last time...."
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                  Fri, February 10, 2006 - 9:33 PM
                  you got that right sandy, my skin crawls when i hear or see that kinda behavior happening. but then i get to look in the mirror and remember when i was new that statement was something to hold on to when i was doing shit i knew i shouldn't be doing. it took me a long time to get the fact that not everyone gets the lesson in the same time frame. we all get it on gods time not ours or anyone elses. that was a hard pill for me to swallow, cuz i figured that if i finaly got "it" then everyone else should too.
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                    Fri, February 10, 2006 - 9:42 PM
                    I may never get it fully in this lifetime.
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                      Sat, February 11, 2006 - 12:13 AM
                      I'm with Laura!
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                        Sat, February 11, 2006 - 8:47 AM
                        "I may never get it fully in this lifetime. "

                        But you see Laura, that's the point. You say this like it's a bad thing but it is the very thing that makes both you and Beverly my heros. You guys haven't forgotten the humility part. When you said you were celebrating 21 years I was astounded. I know I sounded like a fool when I blurted out "gosh Laura, I thought you had like 5 or 6 years!" The same holds true for Bev with 20. But this had nothing to do with your level of wisdom or your knowledge of the program. I said that with the highest respect and praise. You, just like Bev (to me) still have that light. Still offer the sense of wonder and amazement in the knowledge that you will never stop growing. That your work is never done. You guys are a true beacon of attraction rather than promotion.

                        Last year when Bev started going through her stuff, she said, "hey, I need some help here because life is kicking my ass" (not a direct quote, but you get the point). She didn't look at me, an AA nobody with little time in comparison and nothing to offer. She reached out to someone who is a fellow on the path. That is what this is all about. We are all in this together.

                        You guys walk with grace, your God, and gratitude and I thank God daily that He has given me the gift of knowing you. I WANT what you have. This is what inspires me. It's not your time, which there are moments that I can't even conceive of, but your actions. The things you do to live this day successfully.
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                          Sat, February 11, 2006 - 6:10 PM
                          <<<You guys walk with grace, your God, and gratitude and I thank God daily that He has given me the gift of knowing you. I WANT what you have. This is what inspires me. It's not your time, which there are moments that I can't even conceive of, but your actions. The things you do to live this day successfully.>>>

                          It is you Sandy, and the people like you who are eager and open that inspire me to keep coming back.

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                    Sat, February 11, 2006 - 8:45 AM
                    when i said "it" i didn't mean the whole "it" as in like the answer to life or some shit. i meant each little lesson that we learn once we get sober and start to learn how to live right.
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                    Sat, February 11, 2006 - 8:55 AM
                    " cuz i figured that if i finaly got "it" then everyone else should too. "

                    *nods and nods* The hell of it is sometimes, for me, is that this program requires us to deal with others, but it is also a very very personal, individual, spiritual journey. I have to work really hard still to not judge my insides by other peoples' outsides.
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                      Sat, February 11, 2006 - 11:25 AM
                      bev, you have arrived.

                      i am not worthy!!!all i get is i joined another 12 step group to lose weight and i am hating life right now.
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                        Re: Bleeding Deacon?

                        Sat, February 11, 2006 - 11:30 AM
                        OH quit it !

                        You know you are, and I love you like a sister !

                        Which brings up an interesting topic.....concurrent 12-step programs. Is it the identification process that makes is necessary to attend different types of 12 step meetings ?

                        This would actually be a good topic.
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                          Sat, February 11, 2006 - 11:42 AM
                          i swear i will start a thread when i lose my first 10 #.
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                            Sat, February 11, 2006 - 12:18 PM
                            well, we all need someone we can bleed on...
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                              Sat, February 11, 2006 - 7:04 PM
                              << well, we all need someone we can bleed on... >>

                              Isnt there already a tribe for that?
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                                Sat, February 11, 2006 - 7:05 PM
                                FLAG !!!!!!!
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                                  Sat, February 11, 2006 - 7:28 PM
                                  ya know ~ she says in a sarcastic tone ~ being lauded for admitting how fucked up I am is a dubious achievement.

                                  my favorite kind.

                                  *big kiss sandy*
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                                    Sat, February 11, 2006 - 8:01 PM
                                    btw, to anyone new on this tribe, I asked for help AFTER I told someone at work that they were acting like a screaming harpy.
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                                      Sat, February 11, 2006 - 9:13 PM
                                      Rigorous honesty ?
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                                        Sat, February 11, 2006 - 9:52 PM
                                        oh ok, and BEFORE I told another person - in a room full of people she lives with and is on the board of directors of - well, i'm on chemo myself and i'm sitting here working at 8pm and you don't hear me complaining so you aren't the only one with who was sick and the sooner she dealt with it the better. then I climbed back on the cross.

                                        Yes I made amends. I even brought her the now-closed Rizzoi Bambini sign because she has a cat called Bambini.

                                        By the way, no she continues to not deal with it. Had a meeting this week and she cried about suing for malpractice, etc. and we do not care, this was a biz meeting but I kept my mouth shut.

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