May 12, 1935 at 5:00 P.M.

Bill meets Dr. Bob at the Gate House of the Seiberling Estate. Bob is
still drinking. Bill tells Bob of his experiences with alcohol; of
the hopes, promises, and failures; the obsession, compulsion, and
physical allergy; of Ebby's visit and his simple message, "show me
your faith and by my works I will show you mine."

Dr. Bob understood with sudden clarity - the difference with the
Oxford Group. "The spiritual approach was as useless as any other if
you soaked it up like a sponge and kept it to yourself." The purpose
of life was not to "get," it was to "give."

Bill presented Dr. Bob with four aspects of one core idea:
(1) Utter Hopelessness
(2) Totally Deflated
(3) Requiring Conversion
(4) Needing Others

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There is a picture of the gate house, and an article (from 2006)
about the meeting between Dr. Bob and Bill W. at
<www.akron.com/20060601/wsl72.asp>