The Tao of Should

topic posted Thu, January 24, 2008 - 10:48 PM by 
A buddy of mine just busted this out on a non-recovery tribe. It made me all tingly on the inside.

"A wise friend told me once to be mindful of the word "should." It implies an effort to live up to an expectation usually not our own."

Thoughts, opinions, counterpoints?
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  • Re: The Tao of Should

    Thu, January 24, 2008 - 11:08 PM
    When I first got clean and was very open to suggestions, a therapist friend
    of mine said "Whenever I hear myself say the word should, a little red flag
    goes up". I was open and vulnerable enough so it stuck. It was one of the
    best pieces of advice I've ever received.

    I also prefer "hopes" to "expectations". In most contexts, the words can be
    exchanged, although the meanings can not. (This is especially true of
    first dates.)

  • Re: The Tao of Should

    Fri, January 25, 2008 - 6:18 AM
    "when I have one foot in the past and one foot in the future, I 'should' all over myself."

    Yup. Forget "should." In the present I do or I don't hopefully without judgement.
    "Should" is a judgement.
    • Re: The Tao of Should

      Fri, January 25, 2008 - 9:13 AM
      Fantastic quote gb. I was told my first c&s day that 'should ought and supposed to' were words I no longer could (not should) say. While it is often other people's expectations, mostly it is what I know I need to do that I'm not doing. I noticed a while back that whenever I say, I'm supposed to..., it means that I have already made up my mind not to do something.
  • Re: The Tao of Should

    Fri, January 25, 2008 - 10:55 AM
    I had a therapist once tell me: When you find yourself upset, think about the "must" (or "should") you're creating for yourself, then work to argue that must/should away. Usually works for me...
    • Re: The Tao of Should

      Fri, January 25, 2008 - 10:55 PM
      I allways loved "Don't should on me."

      I've found that just explaining what happened to me works best in most cases.
      • Re: The Tao of Should

        Sat, January 26, 2008 - 12:07 AM
        Try not....DO!!

        The Tao of Yoda
        • Re: The Tao of Should

          Sat, January 26, 2008 - 7:12 AM
          Yoda is a very wise man.


          I do like the presmise of not using should and the expectation it creates. However as with most therapy ideologies that have creeped their way in AA and 12 step programs in general, the word "should" has become misused.

          Yes I SHOULD go to work. Yes I SHOULD take care of my chidren. Yes I SHOULD obey the laws. Yes I SHOULD be a productive member of society. Yes I SHOULD pay my bills and meet my financial obligations.

          There are some "shoulds" I should do.
          And with a careful read of the Big Book, one can find there are many "musts" as well.
          • Re: The Tao of Should

            Sat, January 26, 2008 - 7:46 AM
            Should, ought and supposed to imply that there is a an option to do or not do. For me, that can be a dangerous thing.

            Let's not forget if and or but. 'I hit my girlfriend *but* she asked for it.'

            I find that the serenity prayer, which addresses discernment, is the final review committee for should, ought, supposed to, if, and or but.

            I try to and do a lot better when I live in the world of I am, I will, If I want to, I need to, I refuse, etc.
  • Re: The Tao of Should

    Sat, January 26, 2008 - 8:22 AM
    "A wise friend told me once to be mindful of the word "should." It implies an effort to live up to an expectation usually not our own."

    The key word in this quote for me is "mindful." It doesn't mean to completey eradicate the word "should," just to be aware of it.

    The following part about expecations that are usually not our own is interesting, because it then opens up the question, of who are "they?" You know, "them," the ones who are placing these expecations on us?

    Let's say we let go of all the expectations of others and the need and/or desire to live up to them. Are we then left with ourselves alone? Would our True Selves emerge? To me, the only way to get a clear answer to these questions is to do some deep soul searching and go within one's self to find out. I have found "shoulds" I didn't even know existed. I haven't let them go completely, but at least I am mindful of them.
    • Re: The Tao of Should

      Sat, January 26, 2008 - 9:51 AM
      Yay!! I love that so many perspectives are coming to the table and no one's poked an eye out yet.
      • Re: The Tao of Should

        Sat, January 26, 2008 - 10:27 AM
        Yeah, all fun and games until somebody loses and eye...

        Seriously i find that the worst pressure i find myself under is the pressure i put on myself. That's where the shoulds become a problem, when i use them to batter myself with.
        • The Tao of Should - Where's the Willingness

          Sun, January 27, 2008 - 1:36 AM
          Instead of should, why not "will"? I will go to work, take care of my children, etc. ...or I "am."
          Sometimes "shoulds" are "won't"s in disguise.
          I ask myself what WILL I do. Oh yeah, like WILLINGNESS (hits himself on the head). Duh.
          When I have wills and musts instead of wills and ams it's time for me to pray for willingness (again).
          Worry and regret are not a part of my program.
          • Re: The Tao of Should - Where's the Willingness

            Thu, February 7, 2008 - 7:46 AM
            Instead of "should", replace it with could.

            "Should" binds us, makes others wrong. It is a word best dumped into the garbage can.

            ""Could" implies choice & choice is freedom.

            "I could be free." is much better than the obligatory, pressurizing "I should be free."
            • Re: The Tao of Should - Where's the Willingness

              Tue, April 15, 2008 - 6:54 AM
              I always thing of Should is the word that most often leads to nearly immediate disappointment in the hearts and minds of people. It conveys the expectations of others onto us. Sometimes this is good, and sometimes this is bad, but its always a source for introspection. Many "shoulds" are really thinly guised approaches to manipulate people and often in a co-dependent way. I like to translate it into a "need to" context and to examine the motivation for such compliance by the possible outcomes of non-compliance. But in short it is nothing more than the expectations of others upon our actions and behaviors. Sometimes its good, and other times it is just pure BS.
      • Re: The Tao of Should

        Thu, July 17, 2008 - 5:05 PM
        Uh, I may be wrong feel free to to correct me.

        If I keep shoulding all over myself I will need a diaper. Very embarrassing. embarrass=Bare Ass= only cute if you're a baby

        Pregnant, either you are or you are not. Get sober or get drunk. Be pregnant or don't be pregnant.

        What the hell does try mean anyway?

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